
Ukraine and allies respond to peace plan at Geneva talks
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Officials meet in Geneva for Ukraine talks as peace plan’s author called into question
In Geneva on Sunday, U.S. officials put the heat on Ukraine to accept a peace deal to end the war with Russia or else. The author of the plan became a point of contention, while President Donald Trump said Ukrainian leadership had expressed “zero gratitude” for American efforts. Nick Schifrin reports on the diplomatic efforts spanning oceans.
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Ukraine and allies respond to peace plan at Geneva talks
Clip: 11/23/2025 | 6m 42sVideo has Closed Captions
In Geneva on Sunday, U.S. officials put the heat on Ukraine to accept a peace deal to end the war with Russia or else. The author of the plan became a point of contention, while President Donald Trump said Ukrainian leadership had expressed “zero gratitude” for American efforts. Nick Schifrin reports on the diplomatic efforts spanning oceans.
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A fullcourt press in Geneva tonight as US officials put the heat on Ukraine to accept a peace deal.
Who authored the plan became a point of contention while President Trump said Ukrainian leadership had expressed zero gratitude for American efforts.
Nick Schifrin has more on the diplomatic efforts spanning oceans.
Today in Geneva, a meeting that could help determine Ukraine's fate and what Secretary of State and National Security Adviser Marco Rubio described as substantial progress.
It is probably the most productive day we have had on this issue, maybe in the entirety of our engagement, but certainly in a very long time.
The Ukrainian delegation led by presidential chief of staff Andre Mach used the same language.
We have very good progress and we are moving forward to the just and lasting peace.
The US's 20 armed attack by the Russian Federation may lead to an armed response.
But today, Ukraine presented its own text coordinated with the United Kingdom, Germany, and France, known as the E3.
And in the E3 draft provided to Ukraine and obtained by PBS News, Ukraine would not have to give up land, but would start negotiations based on the front lines.
The US would not give Russia de facto recognition of occupied Ukrainian territory.
The E3 draft eliminates a clause that would have given Russia amnesty for war crimes, and NATO would not block Ukraine's future membership, but would acknowledge their membership is not fully supported.
Today, Rubio said the disagreements that remained could be solved.
I can tell you that the items that remain open are not insurmountable.
We just need more time than what we have today.
And Rubio suggested more tie might also mean Ukraine does not face a Thursday deadline.
By which time a European official told PBS News the US initially threatened to cut off weapons and intelligence sharing.
Whether it's Thursday, whether it's Friday, whether it's Wednesday, whether it's Monday or the following week, we want it to be soon because people are going to between today and the time we deal with this, more people are going to die.
More destruction is going to happen.
And so it was today in southern Ukraine.
Russian drones injured more than 12 and damaged this apartment block.
The price that Ukrainians pay every day is measured in what will be fixed, but also the irreplaceable.
A father in western Ukraine holds the body of his one and a half-year-old son and says goodbye one last time after his wife and two children were killed in a Russian strike.
Nick Shiffron joins me now.
Nick, do we know anything about the substance of these exchanges in Geneva today?
So Ally, the UK, Germany, France, the E3 did give those proposals to Ukraine for the things that they wanted to see edit.
We highlighted some of those in the story.
There are other proposed changes including capping uh including raising the cap on Ukraine's military and watering down the restrictions on Ukraine's NATO ambitions and NATO troops in Ukraine.
Uh we don't know exactly the items that your mock emphasized in those in the meeting with Rubio and the US officials, but Zalinsky said tonight there are quote signals that President Trump's team is hearing us.
And yesterday Trump did say that the 28-point plan was quote not his final proposal, suggesting the US is open to edits.
Uh but as you said at the top, the president of the United States also criticized Ukraine today for not showing or showing zero gratitude and he he put Ukraine's leadership in quotation marks.
Uh and a US and European official tell me this uh that Dan Driscoll after he met with Ukrainian President Vadimir Zalinski in Kev.
You see them there.
He told European diplomats that quote the honest US military assessment is that Ukraine is in a very bad position and now is the best time for peace.
Ali Ferdrisll to say that in Kev really reveals how skeptical the US is of any argument that giving Ukraine more weapons would produce any results.
Now let's talk about last night you were at the Halifax security international security forum with a congressional delegation.
Uh and those members changed the narrative pretty dramatically last night.
At least for a few hours.
Yeah, for a few hours.
Uh, so this was a bipartisan group of senators led by New Hampshire Democrat Gene Shaheen, but alongside uh, North Dakota Republican, sorry, South Dakota Republican Mike Browns and Maine independent Angus King.
Uh, and they announced to the press that Rubio told them that the 28point plan was not a US document.
It was actually a Russian document.
Let's listen to rounds and then King.
What I can share with you is what we've received today from the secretary and what he told us was that this was not the the the American proposal.
This was a proposal which was received by someone who has re identified and they believe to be representing uh Russia.
The leaked uh 28point plan uh which according to Secretary Rubio is not the administration's position.
It is uh essentially the the the wish list of of of the Russians.
Rounds even said that Rubio gave him permission to make that announcement.
But after I posted Rounds's statement on X, Rubio's spokesperson replied to me in a message saying quote that this is an outright lie.
Uh after that, rounds posted a new statement on X saying, quote, I appreciate Secretary Rubio briefing us earlier today on their efforts to bring about peace by relying on input from both Russia and Ukraine to arrive at a final deal.
So he didn't repeat what he said the other day, nor did he disavow it.
And King said the same, releasing this statement.
It is troubling the plan appears to have been developed after extensive consultation with the Russians and little if any input from Ukraine or European allies.
does not repeat that in Rubio's name, Ellie.
Nor does he disavow the statement.
The bottom line is that Rubio says the 28point plan is a US plan, not a Russian plan.
And the question of who's telling the truth here, frankly, I don't know.
And we may not know because the bottom line is these are senators, former governors.
They say they heard what they said.
Did they hear what they wanted to hear?
We just don't know.
Nick Schifrin, excellent reporting.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
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