>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, A JOURNALIST ROUND TABLE THE LEGISLATOR PASSING A REPEEFLT CIVIL WAR ERA ABORTION BANFUL THE JOURNALIST ROUND TABLE IS NEXT.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON I'M TED SIMONS IT IS FRIDAY IT IS TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST ROUND TABLE.

JOINING US IS RAY TUSKY.

JAIL SMAUCHLT MIRROR AND MARK BRODY ALSO OF K GAZZ RADIO.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU THANK YOU FOR JOINING YOU.

START WITH A BIG STORY.

BIG MASSIVE AND MEGABIG.

SENATE GOES AHEAD REPEALS THAT BAN AND THE GOVERNOR SIGN ITS SO TAKE US THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE >> THIS HAS BEEN THE STORE FOR WEEKS THE REPEAL IS MOVING THROUGH THE LEGISLATOR MEETING ONCE A WEEK.

LAST WEEK THE HOUSE REPEAL DATING TO THE CIVIL WAR AND THEN IT MADE ITS WAY TO THE SENATE.

ON SIMILAR LINES WITH 2 REPUBLICANST J AND SHAUNA BULLOCK JOINING DEMOCRATS TO REPEAL THAT LAW ON AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY >> WAS THIS WAS SWAPPED FOR THE HOUSE BILL, CORRECT?

>> YES.

THEY DID A PROCEDURAL MOVE TO SWAP IN THE HOUSE BILL.

THEY BOTH ARE STRAIGHT, CLEAN REPEALS OF THE OLD NEAR TOTAL BAN >> JIM, OTHER PROCEDURAL EFFORTS.

THERE IS SOME A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENED, TRUE?

>> YES.

THERE WAS.

MOST TELEVISION DOES NOT MATTER A LOT.

THE OTHERS SAY THIS RESIDENCE SENATORS ARE REALLY FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL AND TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING PROCEDURAL TO SLOW THE PROCESS OR DERAIL IT ENTIRELY.

THEY COULDN'T BECAUSE THE TWO RESIDENCE SIDE WITH THE DEM CREDITS TO ENSURE THAT A.

THE VOTE HAPPENED AND THE BILL PASSED >> WAS IT A SURPRISE THAT SHOPE OR BULLOCK THEY CROSSED THE AISLE.

>> IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE.

I MEAN YES AND NO.

YOU HAD 2 REPUBLICANS JOINED WITH DEMOCRATS AND RUN ON PROLIFE IN THE PAST.

JOIN WITH DEMOCRATS TO GET RID OF THIS LAW THAT REALLY WAS A CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT FROM THE PROLIFE MOVEMENT IN ARIZONA IN ORDER TO ROLL IT BACK TO THE OLD THE 15 WEEK BAN IN PLACE SINCE 2002.

BOTH QUICKLY AFTER THE SUPREME COURT ISSUED THE RULING CAME OUT AND SAID, WE DISAGREE WITH THIS RULEING IS A BAD LAW IT NEEDS TO GO, WE WILL SUPPORT TO REPEAL IT.

IT TOOK US 3-4 WEEKS TO GET THERE >> BULLOCK WAS THE SPEECH THERE A LONG SPEECH AND A SURPRISE FINISH.

>> YEA.

LIKE 20ISH OR SO MINUTE IN LEGISLATIVE TIME FOR AN EXPLANATION OF VOTE IT AN ETERNITY.

SHOT CLACK CLOCK THE IN LEGISLATIVE CHAMBERS SAY HOW LONG THEY HAVE.

SHE DETAILED HER PREGNANCIES AND EXPERIENCE SHE HAD WITH NEEDING VARIOUS MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS.

IT WAS REMINISCENT OF THE SPEECH BIRCH DESCRIBING HER NEED HAVE AN ABORTION AND HAD THAT PROCEDURE DONE IN THE PAST, A PERSONAL ISSUE.

AND IT SEEMED LIKE IN SENATOR BULLOCK'S CASE TRYING TO MAKE IT UNDERSTOOD LIKE WHY SHE WAS VOTING THE WAY SHE WAS VOTING >> IT WAS UNDERSTOOD?

DID THE SPEECH WORK.

AGAIN THE WAY SHE FRAME TODAY AND SAID, IT IS ME.

I'M TALKING ABOUT, ME.

DID THAT HAVE AN AFFECT?

>> UNFORTUNATELY, NO, I THINK BASICALLY EVERYONE DESCRIBEOD HOW THEY FELT ON THAT TOPIC THE GALLERY THE AREA ABOVE THE SENATE THE PUBLIC GOES WAS FULL OF ANTIABORTION FOLKS AND THEY HAD MULTIPLE OUT BURSTS.

BOOING AND KUTH HER OFF AND WHEN SHE SAID, THIS WAS HER, EXPERIENCE, THAT DID NOT SOFTEN THAT BLOW BACK >> AND AGAIN THE ATMOSPHERE FOR ALL OF THIS -- AN HOUR BEFOREHAND THERE WERE PEOPLE SINGING AND CHANTING AND THING SNS >> YEA.

I GOT IN THE CHAMBER EARLY AND IT WAS FULL.

AND SENATOR DAVED THE REPUBLICAN WHO IS ANTIABORTION WAS UP THERE LEADING SONGS AND PRAYERS.

THERE WERE A FEW ABORTION ADVOCATES ARGUE WITH THEM AND SCREAMED BACK AND FORTH AT EACH OTHER.

I HEARD A GUY A PREACHER SAYING SIT DOWN DEMON TO THE WOMAN.

IT TOOK SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS REMINDING THEM OF THE RULES IN THE SENATE BEFORE THEY ARE ABLE TO START AND THEY WERE PLENTY OF OUT BURSTS >> AGAIN WITH SHOPE AND BULLOCK I MEAN THEY'LL BE RAMIFICATIONS I IMAGINER WILL THERE BE WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS?

>> THERE MIGHT BE.

JOAN.

WE SAW PUNISHMENT IN THE HOUSE.

BUT IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE VOTE, ON THIS BILL LAST WEEK THE SENATE WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SENATOR SHOPE IS A PART OF LEADERSHIP IN THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS THE PRESIDENT PROTIM MEANS HE CAN FILL US IN FOR THE PRESIDENT AND MANAGES THE DAILY TO DAY OPERATIONS ON THE FLOOR.

YOU KNOW SENATOR BULLOCK IS RUNNING FOR REELECTION.

AND YOU KNOW SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

I THINK FORTUNATELY FOR REPUBLICAN WHO IS DID NOT VOTE FOR THE REPEAL ON THIS, ALL OF THIS CAME ABOUT AFTER THE PERIOD ENDED FOR PEOPLE TO NOMINATE THEMSELVES TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

ANYTHING THAT DON'T HAVE PRIMARY CHALLENGES ALL OF THEM, ARE GOING TO GET THE CHANCE TO IF THEY CAN GET PAST VOTER IN THES GENERAL TO THE 2 YEARS WITH REPUBLICAN VOTERS NOW THEY GET A BIT OF A REPROPOSAL FROM THE POLITICAL BACKLASH.

RAMIFICATIONS FROM DISTRICTS FOR EITHER ONE?

>> IT IS TOUGH TO SAY.

THERE WAS A LOT OF MENTION OF POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY ON THE PART OF OTHER REPUBLICANS IN THE UPON SENATE CHAMBER IN REFERRING TO SENATOR SHOPE AND BULLOCK.

I MEANT J SHOPE IS IN A FAIRLY SAFE REPUBLICAN SDRIVENTH WILL SHAUNA BULLOCK IS IN A COMPETITIVE DISTRICT AND THE GENERAL ELECTION CHALLENGE IN REPRESENTATIVE SLEEFR THERE WAS A THOUGHT THAT WAS A RACE THE DEMOCRAT COULD WINFUL SOME SAY THAT'S WHY BULLOCK IS VOTE TO REPEAL SHE NEEDS TO NOT COME ACROSS SPPTH AN 1864 LAW IN A GENERAL ELECTION.

BUT WHO, YOU KNOW I'M NOT IN THEIR MINDS YOU CAN'T KNOW BUT THAT RACE, THE BULLOCK RACE WOULD BE THE MORE COMPETITIVE ONE >> IT SEEMS LIKE ROCK IN HARD PLACE.

>> I BELIEVE BULLOCK IS FACING A PRIMARY CHALLENGE FROM THE INDIVIDUALS UP TO FILL THE VACANCY WHEN SHE SENATOR KAISER RESIGNED.

HE WAS THE INDIVIDUALS RAN FOR CONGRESS LAST TIME NEVER THAT SERIES OF A CANDIDATE THIS IS SOMETHING A WEDGE ISSUE FOR PRIMARY VOTERS THAT MAKE IT A BIT MORE OF AN INTERESTING PRIMARY TO WATCH.

ROCK IN HARD PLACE THAT , IS WHY BULLOCK SHARED THE PERSONAL SIDE TO FENLDZ OFF THE ACCUSATIONS THAT OF A POLITICAL MANEUVER.

>> I MENTIONED PROCEDURAL MOVES EARLIER I KNOW THAT -- I'M CURIOUS HOUR PETERSON HANDLE THE EVERED THIS.

HE SAID THAT IS NOW HOW -- TALK ABOUT THAT AND THAT DYNAMIC >> WITHOUT INTO THE MA NEWTIA OF THE SENATE RULE BACK.

SENATOR HOFFMAN THE LEADER OF THE FREEDOM CAUCUS THE FURTHER RIGHT WING OF THE REPUBLICANS THERE HE THROUGH IN SUBSTANTIVE MOTIONS ADDING ON ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO GIVE REPUBLICANS MANAGE THEY WANTED.

THE SENATE PRESIDENT SAID, NO, THAT YOU INTRODUCED THAT AT THE WRONG TIME WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS YOU CAN'T DO THAT HE CHALLENGED THAT ROWELLING.

THERE WAS BACK AND FORTH ON THEM.

AND SENATOR SHOPE HAD A FEW CHOICE WORDS ON THESE OTHER RULES.

AND ULTIMATELY SENATOR PETERSON LAID DOWN THE LAW THIS .

IS THE RULES THEY HAD A VOTE ON WHETHER HIS INTERCEPTION WAS CORRECT THEY CAN DO THAT.

BUT HE SAID, I COULD SIT UP HERE AND LIE AND SAY YOU THIS WAS NOT OUT OF ORDER I WILL NOT DO THAT.

>> OKAY.

JIM, GOVERNOR -- NEXT DAY, BOOM, IT IS OVER.

SIGNS IT.

BUT I DURING THE SHOW THIS WEEK I ENTERED THE HEAD LINE TRIED TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENT WAY THIS IS BILL DOES NOT TAKE AFFECT OR THE OLDS BILL OR NEW BILL.

TALK US THROUGH IT, >> THIS LAW WILL LET ME REPEAL UNTIL 90 DAYS AFTER THE LEGISLATOR FINISHES ITS WORK WHEN?

I DON'T KNOW.

NO ONE KNOWS.

BECAUSE LAW MAKE ARES AND THE GONER HAVE TO HAMMER OUT A BUDGET DEAL.

THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING AND MEETING ON IT AS FAR AS WHETHER IN PROGRESS MADE DOES NOT SEEM LIKE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF STATES FACING LARGE BUDGET DEFICIT NOW.

SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 1 ENVELOPE TO 2 BILLION DOLLARS.

HAY HAVE WILDLY DIFFERENT IDEAS HOW TO CLOSE THAT BUDGET GAP.

THAT IS IT IS CONTINGANT ON THIS.

IF AND WHEN THAT GETS DONE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION WILL END.

COULD DRAG ON LAST YEAR WE SAW THE BUDGET WAS DONE IN MAY THE TIME WE ARE NOW A YEAR AGO.

THEY STILL SESSION OPENED THE END OF JULY.

>> RIGHT >> THAT MEANT LAST YEAR'S LAW DIDS NOT START UNTIL OCTOBER.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SUPREME COURT I THINK THE DELAY NOW IS THROUGH END OF JUNE BEFORE THE LAW GETS IMPLEMENTED.

WE HAVE CHRIS MAZE ASKING THE SPORT TO DELAY UNTIL SEPTEMBER AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD ARIZONA ASKING THE SUPREME COURT, DELAY IT BECAUSE THE LEGISLATOR SPOKEN.

YOU SAID YOU WERE TRYING TO DOT WILL OF LEGISLATOR WHEN YOU UPHELD THE 1864 LAW YOU NOTHEY WANT TO GET RID OF THIS IT MAKES NO SENSE.

WE DON'T WHATNOT SUPREME COURT WILL DO.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS LIKELY WILL BE WHERE ALL THE VIN DIAGRAMS INTERSECT A PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH THAT CIVIL WAR ERA ABORTION BAN WILL TAKE AFFECT.

>> IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT WILL HAPPEN.

ABSOLUTELY.

>> YES.

>> AS FAR AS THE LEGISLATOR TAKING ITS SWEET TIME TO SIGN THIS IS ELECTION YEAR THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN WHEN WE SEE CAMPAIGNS READY TO GO.

>> IT IS TRUE.

BANS ON FUNDRAISING FROM LOBBYISTS WHILE THE LEGISLATOR IS IN SESSION.

LAW MAKERS WANT TO HIT THE TRAIL.

I SUSPECT AN INITIAL THEM ARE DOING THAT IF THEY COME TO THE CAPITOL A DAY A WEEK AND HAVE MEETINGS 1-2 OTHER DAY ITS IS AN AMOUNT OF TIME.

THEY'RE NOT THERE EVERY DAY LIKE IN MARCH OR APRIL EARLY APRIL.

SO BUT IT IT IS UNUSUAL AND WE SAW SOMETHING UNUSUAL LAST YEAR TAKE WEEKS OFF AND KEEP THE SESSION OPEN COME BACK.

DO A COUPLE THINGS TAKE A FEW MORE WEEKS OFF TEMPERATURE IS TRUE THE BUDGET HAS TO GET DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY ON JUNE 30TH.

BUT WELL IS NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT IS WHEN THE LEGISLATOR HAS TO ADJOURN NAY CAN GO AS LONG AS THEY WANT.

>> WILL THERE BE A PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH EVERYTHING IS ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE 1864 BAN IS ON THE INSIDE.

IT IS IN AFFECT UNTIL WE HIT THE NEXT WALL >> YEP.

THAT IS A LIKELY SCENAR >> GIVEN THE FACT IF THE LEGISLATOR STAYS OPEN WE HEARD FLOAT WHO HAD KNOWS IF THEY DOLL THAT.

THE REPEAL WILL NOT GO IN AFFECT UNTIL AFTER.

A VOTE NOVEMBER ON POTENTIALLY WE BELIEVE THAT WILL MAKE THE BALLOT INITIATIVE IN SHRINING ABORTION RIGHTS IN THE CONSTITUTION.

REFERRALS AS WELL.

>> AND FROM REPUBLICANS SEEK TO PUT THEIR IDEA ON ABORTION BEFORE VOTERS.

SO, IT IS A LOT OF CHAOS AND CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT LAW WILL BE THE LAW AT ANY BEGIN TIME.

>> THERE IS A LINE OF THINKING I'M NOT SURE A LOT OF FOLKINGS WILL SAY THIS ON TAPE.

THERE IS A LINE OF THINKING THAT KG SUGGESTS FOR FOLKS THAT SUPPORT THE CITIZENS INITIATIVE COLLECTING SIGNATURES, HAVING THIS UNCERTAINTY MIGHT BENEFIT THEM TO A BURGLAR BECAUSE IF IT IS A CHOICE OF THE 1864 LAW OR THE INITIATIVE THEY THANK YOU IS A BETTER CHANCE OF THE INITIATIVE PASSING IF 15 WEEKS MAY BE THAT IS CONFUSING.

MAY BE SOME NUMBER OF SUPPORTERS OF THE INITIATIVE WOULD PEEL OFF.

I DON'T THINK THEY WANT THE LAW TO GO IN TO AFFECT.

BUT PURELY POLITICALLY WELL<,> IS A LINE OF THINKING THIS SUGGEST ITS MIGHT NOL NOT BE THE WORSE FOR THE INITIATIVE.

>> ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD THINK OTHERWISE.

-- SHE WANTS REFERRED TO THIS 90 DAYS OF THE SUPREME COURT TO COOL OFF AND SEE WHAT IF I WANT TO TAKE IT TO THE SUPREME COURT?

>> YEA.

ESSENTIALLY THE ARGUMENT IS YOU KNOW THAT THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT WHEN THEY ISSUE THE RULING THEY REFERENCED ANOTHER LAW THAT WAS PASS IN THE 2021 AROUND FIELD PERSON HOOD.

THE FEDERAL COURT SAID CAN'T GO IN AFFECT AND PUT INJUNCTION ON THIS LAW AND THE SUPREME COURT REFERENCE TODAY AND MAKE ITS THIS IS THE STATE SUPREME COURT MEDDLING IN A FEDERAL ISSUE AND TRYING TO ELEVATE A LAW THAT CAN'T BE ENFORCE TODAY IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

AND USING THAT AS THE BASIS TO JUSTIFY USING THE OTHER LAW AND HER TEAM IS MULLING AN APPEAL TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT, AND SO SHE IS ASKING FOR TIME.

TO DO THAT UNTIL I WANT TO SAY LATE SEPTEMBER >> HOW LIKELY DID THE STATE SUPREME COURT SAY, WE WILL HOLD OFF?

I DON'T KNOW IT IS TOUGH TO SAY.

I THINK THAT MAY BE YOU KNOW THE ARGUMENT THAT PLANNED PARENTHOOD MADE IS COMPELLING FOR THE SUPREME COURT.

COURT REALLY BANKED ITS RULING ON THE CIVIL WAR ERA LAW ON THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT AND ON THIS PORTION OF THE LEGISLATION NOT IN STATE LAW THAT SAYS, DID NOT WANT TO REPEAL THIS OLD LAW.

WELL<,> THE LEGISLATOR NOW WAS ACTIVE LOW REPEALED THE OLD LAW.

THINKING GOES IF YOU WILL DEFER TO THE LEGISLATORMENTED DO IN THIS LAWSUIT ORIGINALLY YOU SHOULD DEFER TO WHAT ITMENTS TO DO NOW AND NOT LET THIS LUTHAT THEY JUST REPEALED GO IN AFFECT.

>> WE FIGURED OUT THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT SIMPLE YOU THINK THAT THE SUPREME COURT MIGHT LISTEN TO THIS ARGUMENT?

>> AGAIN.

THE ARGUMENT JIM, DESCRIBED IS THE STHOUT THOUGHT I HAD THEY ARE USE FIGURE YOU USE THE SAME LOGIC WE EVAPORATE MOST UPDATED LEGISLATIVE INTENT POSSIBLE.

COUNTERPART IS THEY COULD SAY, IF THE LEGISLATORMENTED REPEAL THEY WOULD HAVE AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE IN THERE.

THEY DID NOT HAVE THE VOTE TO DO.

THAT IS SPLITTING HAIRS BUT AGAIN I WILL NOT PRETENDS TO KNOW WHEN THE JUSTICES ARE THINKING ON LEGAL TOPICS I'M NOT A LAWYER FOR SURE.

>> LET'S GET TO OTHER STORIES A BIG ONE, MARK HERE IS ONE A DRAG STORY AT THE HOUSE.

DRAG STORY HOUR AT THE HOUSE.

TELLING STORIES IN, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

>> DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATIVE IN AUSTIN RESERVED A ROOM A MEETING ROOM OR CONFERENCE ROOM IN THE HOUSE FOR A DRAG STORY HOUR.

IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.

THERE WERE NO KIDS THERE IT WAS ADULTS.

I WAS TOLD THERE WERE BAGELS FOR FOLK WHO ISMENTED A SNACK.

SOMEONE READ PO END REW AND TALKED A BIT.

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT WAS NOT A ROCK US AFFAIR.

BUT THAT DID NOT GO OVER ALL WELL WITH THE HOUSE SPEAKER WHO THURSDAY IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE OF HOUSE MEETING ROOM AND SAID THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT ALLOWED USE THE ROOMS UNTIL RESTORED IN THE PRESS RELIEVE DOES NOT DESCRIBE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN FOR TRUST TO BE RESTORED.

SOUND SAYS LIKE HE THOUGHT HE WAS MISLEAD >> AND I THINK YOU KNOW MARK -- PUTS US UP.

WHAT HE SAID WAS THIS WAS PROVERSE AND RADICAL ACTIVISM FROM THE DEMOCRATS.

HE CLAIMED HE WAS MISLEAD.

HE AND HIS OFFICE DID NOT KNOW THERE WOULD BE A DRAG STORY HOUR OR PRESENTATION IN THE HOUSE.

UPON DEMOCRATS SAY THIS IS NOT TRUE WE INFORMED THE SPEAKER STAFF WHEN WE RESERVED THE ROOM.

VERY MUCH HE SAID SHE SAID DEBATE ON THIS.

THE END OF THE DAY, DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE THE SPEAKER GETS TO SET THE RULES AND DETERMINE WHO CAN DO WHAT IN THE BUILDING AND SAID THAT DEMOCRATS NO LONGER HAVE ACCESS TO THE ROOMS.

>> PLEASE.

>> I WAS SAYING GOING BACK TO ABORTION THERE IS A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN SIDE TO THIS.

THE FIRST FORTUNATE DHAUL OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA WAS ANTHONY KAERN A STATE SENATOR RUN NOTHING D8 WHO HAPPENED TO BE RUN NOTHING D8 SPEAKER BEN WHO CALLED OUT WHY ARE YOU LETTING THIS HAPPEN?

A LOT OF US SAW THIS AS A TOMA HAVING TO SHOW THE PRIMARY VOTERS SHE ANXIETY ROW ABOUT THIS.

>> YET WE HAVE OTHER LAW MAKERS AND A COUPLE SENATORS INDICTD AND ANOTHER WHO HAD HIS SIGNATURES QUESTIONED TO THE POINT HE WILL NOT RUN FOR REELECTION.

ARE THEY ALLOWED USE THE ROOMS >> YES, SENATOR KERN USED THE FLOOR FOR SPEAK NOTHING TONGUES VIDEO ON TWITTER.

BROUGHT MEMBERS OF CHURCH AND DOWN THERE DOING THEIR THINGS AND DEMOCRATS POINTD THAT AND SAID THAT WAS AN INAPPROPRIATE USE OF THE SPACE THEY ARE NOT IN THE LEADERSHIP.

>> THIS HAPPENED ON I MEAN -- LEGISLATEDOR IS WORKING ON BIBLICAL TIMES ONE DAY EQUAL IT IS ONE WEEK THIS HAPPENED ON A NONWORKING DAY ANYWAY >> YEA.

THEY WERE WORKING ON WEDNESDAYS THAT SCHEDULE IS BECAUSE THEY DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO.

THIS PAST WEEK THE ABORTION REPEAL STHEED MAY NOT BE THE CASE.

THEY ARE WAITING FOR SAID THIS GIVES MORE TIME TO WORK ON A BUDGET.

BUT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE WE ARE CLOSER TO A BUDGET THAN A FEW WEEKS OKAY >> WE HAVE DAVID HIS CAMPAIGN IS SETTLING A BUNCH LAWSUITS REGARDING THE 22 NORTON AND SOME -- IT IS FUNNY BUSINESS THIS.

>> YEA.

THERE WERE CAMPAIGN SIGNS IN THE DISTRICT THAT SHOWED MR. NORTON I THINK WITH HIS ARM AROUND IN ANOTHER GENTLEMEN FACE CROSSED OUT NORTON IS NOT STRAIGHT WITH YOU THE IMPLICATION NORTON IS GAY?

I SUSPECT NOW THAT AFTER THIS RULING WE WILL NEVER SEE WILL ANYMORE THING SAYS SAID ABOUT CANDIDATES THAT ARE NOT ACCURATE NOW.

>> RIGHT?

>> YEA >> LANDMARK SETTLE AM.

APPARENTLY, ADDS PHOTOS ONLINE, THESE WERE INVOLVED?

>> IT WAS A ROBUST CAMPAIGN AGAINST THIS PRIMARY OPPONENT.

AND YOU KNOW -- ITS TOUGH TO SAY WHERE THE LINE IS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU CAN SAY AND CAN'T SAY.

OBVIOUSLY YOU SHOULD NOT SAY THINGS ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT TRUE IMPLYING THAT MEMBER IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHEN THEY ARE.

WILLING SENSE I'M NOT A LAWYER BUT IN THE HUMAN SENSE IT IS NOT THE NICEST THING OR DECENT THING TO DO.

>> CONSULTANT SAID, YEA, THAT WAS ME.

THAT'S WHEN I DID.

>> THAT WAS PART OF THE SETTLEMENT.

ADMIT TO IT OUTSIDE CONSULTANT FOR DAVID.

I THINK IT IS WORTH NOTEING IS THE IN THE FIRST TIME WE SEEN DAVID TO CAMPAIGN THE OPPONENT IN 2012.

THEY -- RAN THE SENT OUT MAIL AND DID OTHER ADVERTISING ABOUT BEN QUAIL THE REPUBLICAN THE SON OF FORMY VICE PRESIDENT DAN QUAIL.

THEY WERE SQUARING OFF AFTER REDISTRICT.

THAT CAUSED ANUP ROAR NOT LITIGATION AS FAR AS I WERE THE BUT WAS YOU KNOW SOMETHING IN THE SAME THING >> SPEAKING OF LITIGATION HE HAS SO MUCH OF HIS MONEY SPENT ON LEGAL ISSUES.

TRUE?

>> HE SDCHLT FAR MORE THAN ANYMORING MEMBER OF ANYONING.

I BELIEVE AND MORE THAN ANYONE IN ARIZONA.

AND IT STEMS YOU KNOW GOING BACK TO THE EMIC INVESTIGATION THAT HE FACED IN THE U.S. HOUSE ONE THING THAT THE OPPONENT IN THE 22 RACE WAS GOING AFTER HIM ABOUT THAT HE WAS CORRUPT AND YOU KNOW THE ETHIC'S VIOLATIONS SHOW HE IS THE NOFIT TO SERVE THAT CAUSED IT FOR HIM TO DEFEND HIMSELF.

THIS COULD BE A TIGHT GENERAL ELECTION >> ALMOST LIKE ESCAPED SEVERAL TOUGH CHALLENGES.

HEARD TO SAY IF THIS IS WHAT WILL BE THE THING TO TURN THE NEEDLE ON.

JIM MENTIONED HIS CAMPAIGN ACCUSED OF THIS BEHAVIOR BEFORE.

THE SETTLE THAT WAS JUST IN THE NEWS WITH THAT OUTSIDE PACK THAT WAS AGAINST NORTON.

IT IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WORKED FOR HIM BEFORE AND TIES TO THE CAMPAIGN CONSULTANT.

MAKE THAT WHAT YOU WILL.

I SPOKE TO NORTON AND CLEAR WE SETTLED WITH THE CAMPAIGN EARLIER AND THIS IS A DIFFERENT SETTLEMENT.

I POLITICALLY HE HAS THE REPUBLICAN VOTE.

HE IS NOT FACING A PRIMARY, I BELIEVE.

I DON'T KNOW THIS WILL BE THE ISSUE THE DEMOCRATS ARE RUNNING AGAINST THEL.

WILL THINK ABORTION IS HIGHER >> NORTON SAID JUSTICE WAS SERVED AND HOPE IT IS A DETERRENT.

>> AS MARK SAID TO STOP THIS BEHAVIOR GOING FORWARD WHETHER THAT WILL WORK, WE WILL SEE >> EVERY 12 YEARS WE GET THAT.

[LAUGHTER].

WAYNE, QUICKLY REGARD THE SUPREME COURT TALKING ABOUT MAKING A DECISION REGARDING A PENALTY FOR REPUBLICAN ATTORNEYS ON SOME OF THE ELECTIONS.

TALK ABOUT THIS.

JOT REPUBLICAN PARTY HAD BROUGHT A CASE HAVING TO DO WITH ELECTIONS.

IT HAD BEEN THROWN OUT AND FOUND ALLEGATIONS WERE TRUE AND THE EARLIER JUDGES SAID IT WAS GROUNDLESS.

THAT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT OPENED UP SANCTIONINGS ESSENTIALLY MAKING THEM PAY ATTORNEY'S FEEOS BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE THEY WERE UP AGAINST IN COURT.

SOMETHING IN THE TUNE OF 27 THOUSAND DOLLARS WHICH WAS HIGH.

AND THE COURT THE SUPREME COURT SAID -- FEIGN A LONGSHOT CASE WE DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS GROUND AND WILLS DON'T WANT TO STIFLE PEOPLE WHO ASK THE COURT TO INTERCEPT THE LAW AND APPLIED APPROPRIATELY WITH ELECTIONS.

>> WILL THAT STIFLE THOSE WHO SAY THE LAWSUITS ARE FRIVOLOUS AND NEED TO STOP IN SANCTIONS ARE NEEDED?

>> WILL, IT WAS INTERESTING.

YOU KNOW THE SUPREME COURT WAS SHARPLY WORDED OPINION TOWARD THE TRIAL JUDGE IN THE APPELLATE COURT AND SAID IN NO TERMS SANCTIONS LIKE THESE THAT ARE BASED ON YOU KNOW -- TAKING LONGSHOTS AND IMPUTEING BAD FAITH, ARE A REAL CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGTORY DEMOCRACY.

BECAUSE THEY SHUT PEOPLE OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE.

ARGUMENT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW IF WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE RULE OF LAW AND DEMOCRACY WE SHOULD LET THE CASE IN BECAUSE LETTING THEM IN GIVES A CHANCE TO AIR THEM AND PUT THEM THROUGHOUT JUDICIAL PROCESS.

AND THEN IF THEY HAVE NO MERITS THEY WILL BE REJECT IN THE TERM.

>> WILL BE REJECTED IF YOU ARE PUTTING A CHILLING AFFECT ON PENALTIES AND SANCTIONS, >> I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO DRAW A DIFFERENCE WITH YOU KNOW A LONGSHOT AND SOMETHING BROUGHT WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE.

RIGHT?

AND SO THERE WAS A LEGAL QUESTION IN THIS CASE.

THE LOWER COURTS DISMISS TODAY OUT OF HAND AND THE SUPREME COURT SAID MAY BE YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS QUICKLY ALTHOUGH WE WILL NOT TOUCH T. PERHAPS YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR AJS WAS INCORRECT AND INCORRECT ON THE DISMISSAL LEAD TO A CONCLUSION THIS WAS BROUGHT.

DOES THIS MEAN A LANDSLIDE OF HE'S KINDS OF CASE SNS CHILLING AFFECT IS WARNED >> WE'LL FIND OUT IN 7 MONTHS.

RIGHT >> AFTER THE 2024 ELECTION TEMPERATURE IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE.

BUT I THINK IT DEPENDSOS HOW THE ELECTIONS TURN OUT.

YOU KNOW IF KERRY LAKE WINS HER SENATE RACE, UNLIKELY SHE WILL FILE A LAWSUIT CHALLENGING THE RESULTS OF THIS RACE.

>> YES.

>> AND IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT, TOO, THE SANCTIONS.

IT IS TAXPAYERS WE ARE ON THE HOOK.

THOSE ARE GOING TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE AND IN THE ELECTION CHALLENGES THAT IS ALWAYS THE CASE.

THE DEFENDANTS IN THE CASES OTHER SECRETARY OF STATE, COUNTY ELECTIONS THOSE FOLKS.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PAYING BACK THE ATTORNEY'S FEES IT IS PAYING BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS.

INTERESTING.

WOW.

ANOTHER BIG WEEK OF NEWS.

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